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The new billion-dollar opportunity: real-time-web curation

I've been playing all day with the new Threadsy, the new Seesmic desktop, the unreleased Brizzly, the new TweetDeck desktop, and the new PeopleBrowsr.

It is very hard to tell these apart. That tells me there's a shakeout coming.

Or, there's a billion-dollar opportunity none of them are seeing yet.

Here's the opportunity: curation.

"Oh, Scoble, you are being stupid again," I can just hear some of you saying. But hear me out. This isn't just the demented discussion of someone who has gotten way too little sleep due to the birth of his new son a few days ago.

No, this is the demented discussion of someone who has an itch to scratch that isn't being scratched.

Here, let's look at the real time landscape. On one side (the microblog reading side) we have Twitter, Facebook, FriendFeed. On the other side (the heavy-duty content creation side) we have Tumblr, Wordpress, and Posterous. Oh, yes, we have readers like Google Reader, LazyFeed, and Feedly.

First, Twitter did us all a HUGE favor by limiting us to 140 characters. It let us read HUGE numbers of people's opinions. Just today, for instance, I've read thousands of Tweets and shared out the best hundred or so. I can't do this with any other service as efficiently and as publicly. Even FriendFeed, which has a "like" feature that is actually better thought out overall, I can't just include the post. On FriendFeed and Facebook you get all the other comments from all the other people whether you like those or not.

Second, Tumblr, Wordpress.com, and Posterous have done us a HUGE favor by making long-form blogging and sharing of photos and other media cool again.

But why haven't those joined? And why is that a billion-dollar opportunity?

Well, after having my son this weekend, I see I have a ton of places to share photos, videos, pictures, and little Tweets. But I don't have anyplace I can really put those all together with a nice blog post. Yeah, I can do that here, but the UI sucks. I have to copy and paste URLs and that's assuming I can find them anymore (it's really difficult -- go find my first baby photo on FriendFeed from Saturday night. I found it, but it took some work and if I wasn't a geek who knew how to use search engines I might have just given up).

Here's a test. Take a tweet of mine in your favorite reader like Seesmic or TweetDeck, click a single button on your iPhone (that's how I favorite them, which shares them instantly with all of you) and then type or leave some audio right underneath that Tweet and click another button to post it). Hint: you can't. That, to me, is opportunity.

So, to have a great curation system, what do we need?

1. A good reader. Seesmic, TweetDeck, Threadsy, Brizzly, or PeopleBrowsr all would do fine, but I'd like to mix Tweets and Facebook items in with email (Threadsy does that) and RSS items (Google Reader or Feedly does that). So, there's still some innovation needed in the reader/aggregator department. Oh, and since I've moved about 60% of my reading time onto my iPhone, it better work on the iPhone too. So far on the iPhone I like SimplyTweet the best, but would probably switch to a system that had a good curation/publishing tool. Already I've loaded Posterous' app onto my iPhone.

2. A curation component. Must be easy to use. Just click to curate. Curation should be possible with text, audio, video, or photos.

3. A publishing system. Something that matches Posterous or Tumblr for ease of use and great design/reading. It would be even better if, in addition to an RSS feed, it also would spit out a Twitter feed so that other people can import my curation into their Twitter tool and go through the whole process again.

Extra points if all three pieces are available as open source components that we can load on our own servers, the way Wordpress is.

So, why would such a curation system be a billion dollar opportunity?

Well, first of all, it would open up a new kind of CMS. That alone would be worth some money, but not a billion.

Second of all, it would open up a new kind of community. One that goes beyond Twitter and Facebook, but uses both of those. Every time I talk about this tool with other publishing professionals they agree there's a need. Many of them are already trying to use CoTweet or TweetRiver to watch tweet streams and push them into buckets for further discussion. Even sites like Mashable and TechCrunch are watching Tweets all day long and are regularly building blog posts out of those Tweets (but they are doing them by hand).

Third, I look at potential market sizes. Blogging got to a few hundred million people. Twitter and Facebook are going to hit far larger numbers, why? Because the potential market for microblogs is bigger than blogging was. Think about it. Lots of people can write a status message. Not as many people can put together a good blog post.

Even more people will be able to curate. They already are doing just that in YouTube comments, Blog comments, or Facebook communities, among other places.

Plus, we want to curate our lives and now that more and more of you will be pouring your lives into Twitter and Facebook you'll want to save some of those moments in a more permanent, and curated, way.

It's a billion dollar opportunity just sitting out there. Anyone working on this?

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Comments (30)

Sep 22, 2009
lowerdlowerd said...
actually yes; we publish to email (mobile optimized), sms/mms text, twitter/FB on behalf of organization and direct insert into T/FB of the org's customer data (auto retweet); we dynamically build a web page to independently support the mm content; integrated to apis of bit.ly and mm services like you tube and picasso
Sep 22, 2009
I totally agree with you here. In addition I think that another opportunity exists for people to create "persona's". I find it difficult to keep my own personal persona / professional persona separate, also the fact that my username I use everywhere isn't my full name spelled out. For example on twitter / facebook it is : @rolandal , but for LinkedIn, it's Roland Ligtenberg. Get's confusing with all the passwords/usernames.
Sep 22, 2009
Melissa Davis said...
Amazing how the birth of a child is what sends us looking for some easy way to post about it. That's what got me on to Posterous earlier today.

Congratulations on baby Ryan!! I'm in the home stretch now. 6 more weeks to go (I really don't think we'll make it to 11/9/9). Speaking of which...the upcoming birth of OUR new baby (2nd child) is what got me on to Posterous earlier today. I saw another Dad using it to post the news of HIS son's birth (and backtracked and saw yours also) and now **I'm** looking for an easy solution my Husband can use (non-techie unlike me) so that he can "take over" for me and post updates on the birth of our son when our time comes. I just FINALLY got my husband to use Facebook and he is now starting to enjoy it. I FINALLY got an iPhone 2 weeks ago and I'm now trying to explore all of these possibilities to find a good solution for posting when it's our turn.

You know, most women spend THEIR nesting time putting a nursery together or sorting baby clothing, or canning peaches. What do **I** do with my nesting frenzy? Prepare by: building a media center, getting all of my tech and gadgets organized and configured, reviewing iPhone apps and trying out different posting methods to deal with my time in the hospital. (C-section is looking more and more likely)

It's the new "Birth Plan" in my nerdy opinion. I'm having a lot of fun with it. My goal is to focus on mastering a "curation method" like you referenced — or a workflow that I can use with little thought (read: sleep deprivation/distractions/pain management/something I can do one-handed on my iPhone while nursing) to get word out and socialize with others. I think it will really help me to have SOMETHING while I'm recovering from birth to manage the pain and discomfort. I plan on having baby in one hand and my iPhone in the other much of the time.

Anyhow, those are my thoughts on the subject you posted. I've been looking for the same thing as I'm sure many others are as well. What I'm also curious about is in addition to curation — archiving as well. If I'm going to invest the time documenting my precious memories, I'd like to have some way to simplify the archival process — which works hand in hand with curation — to preserve it for the future as well as for searchable references. Right now, it's the gunshot approach...stuff is scattered all over the place: my blog, facebook, photo sites, Mail.app, RSS feeds...it's overwhelming, but at least it's "backed up" in several places.

Is there no time stamp on posts from Posterous? Just dates? hmmm. So, where do you prefer to read the comments? Here on Posterous or over on FriendFeed? Or do you just read an email digest?

Sep 22, 2009
Robert Scoble said...
I don't use email to read any of this stuff. I just visit each site. Still learning myself! After going through the birth experience I'd say Flickr is still the best. That's what my relatives and friends apprecited (photos and videos). Good luck with your baby!
Sep 22, 2009
Melissa Davis said...
Thanks Robert :) It's all very exciting. I hope you're finding some time to rest as well. I just got an email with your response. That made it easier to interact. Just taking notes on this myself. Since Posterous is primarily based off of email or SMS messages, it's got me thinking a lot now about my current workflow for how I want to blog. My current method just isn't cutting it for me right now.

You make a good point about using the services that your family appreciates and uses. (if you can't beat 'em, join 'em — and try really hard to get them to adopt your methods) For me, it's increasingly now Facebook. When baby comes, it will most likely be email and Facebook with some YouTube mixed in for getting the word out to family and friends. I'm thinking that Posterous is going to make that easier to do from my iPhone or having Hubby do it from my iPhone or his iPod Touch (depending on the wifi situation at the hospital.)

ha ha!! Now that's TWO questions I need to ask the hospital where I'll be delivering! (1) Do they accept cord blood donations? (2) is there reliable, free wifi?

Sep 22, 2009
Vasu said...
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Sep 22, 2009
Joe Dawson said...
I agree with the view on persona's mentioned in the comments and share your opinion on curation and the potential market for microblogging.
Sep 22, 2009
Bruce Lewis said...
No, you aren't being stupid; I am. I implemented *most* of what you want on http://ourdoings.com/ but not all. Photos are easy to find. If you can remember the year and month it happened, the photo you want is 2 clicks away. Family/friends/fans can curate for you while you're busy. But it's missing audio/video support. From seeing your baby videos I see that's important. I should do more video of my own kids. I'll push audio/video up the priority list.
Sep 22, 2009
Nigel Lamb said...
I can understand your point of what a curation system would achieve, and I agree it would be excellent (certainly help me), but it's an ever moving goal. As you say in your post, there are solutions out there that cover probably 80-90% of what you want to do, but nothing that does 100%. By the time a service provides that 100%, the world, the internet and technology move on and leave the new service with 90% complete again.

Surely it's a utopia that's not achievable?

Sep 22, 2009
FredDavis said...
Well, we cover most of that with Grabbit... one of the differences is that we (the Grabbit founders) have deep publishing backgrounds and publishing, editing, and curating are all related concepts. Altho we aren't totally opensource, we are built on Drupal, so deep integration with Drupal sites is possible in a way no other product has... and for non-drupal sites, almost all of Grabbit can be widgetized, so you can take your conversations, streams, etc. wherever you'd like. We'll be rolling out a pre-beta soon, check out http://grabbit.net to sign up in you're interested.
Sep 22, 2009
Robert, you are my content curator to the real-time web. Thanks for reading all the stuff for me. Human intervention is always needed.
Sep 22, 2009
crosspollinate said...
We are working on this. Stay tuned...
Sep 22, 2009
testbeta said...
true very true, been thinking a lot actually on these services, how many there are which ones to choose, i keep forgetting site names, where i register, if only i know the site names, however i do remember the usernames/passwds, friendfeed is a great service which also help integrating all of the services at one place, like google account for google services, but what if i don't want to share all of them but want to integrate them somehow. there is a need for google like account, great post though
Sep 22, 2009
bobboynton said...
The best example of a system like this around is storytlr. It lets you import from all over the web. It lets you blog and short message. And it lets you 'curate' them as stories. The only shortcoming at the moment is that story construction is not done with the tags that you can use, but is done with time. And the 9 months for 'making a baby' cannot all be enclosed in the same story. But it is a really good system for putting life and stories together.
Sep 22, 2009
Dana Jumper said...
I agree w/bobboynton that storytlr has a lot of promise to achieve this. I eally love the idea of creating whole stories by relating posts, pix, videos, etc. Still, it has big gaps in the services it supports. Also, until some of the sites learn to play nicely it just may not happen. Too many want to own the data and not share it.
Sep 22, 2009
Mark Bean said...
I have a long term master plan to do this - this is my web 3.0 project. It's a cross between all these 2.0 products some business process management and business rules functionality. I call it "life process management".
Sep 22, 2009
 said...
Exactly what I have been telling Twitter for a few months now - but I see you have said it so much better. Another interesting app that all my friends are using - are intereactive game apps ( personally I find them very boring) but to the average person out there, they love to sit back and relax playing games hosted by Facebook. I believe the new one is "farming' - my wife and kids play this and other games for hours. Personally I think it is wasted time. But, democracy wins - viola - you have these games grabbing the attention of millions of viewers.
Look - I'm an honest artist trying to make "ends-meat" and for me to see the potiential out there is driving me "Mad".
Here, here for your blog (once were called articles :) and please take a second to join me as alias: Arttwitt of Twitter - artist of cartoons,abstracts and real life sketches.
http://201art.com
Sep 22, 2009
danolsen said...
Nice post! Great talking with you right before Ryan arrived (congrats!) I see you've written up a detailed spec for the curation dream product that you were telling us about :-) Hope you enjoy trying out real-time discovery engine YourVersion http://yourversion.com
Sep 22, 2009
eschnou said...
Hi Robert, have you tried using http://storytlr.com to mashup your various content into a story ? I'm sure you'll like it. If you have a sec, check this story as an example: http://eschnou.com/story/1681-night-hike.html

Cheers, and congrats for the great news !

Sep 22, 2009
Nick Howe said...
Re: your comment on Mashable and TechCrunch hand churning through tweet streams strikes a chord with something I was reflecting on the other day. I've never managed to understand how people can follow more than a few hundred twitter users and derive any value, save watching out for keywords or random sampling the tweet stream.

Mashable and Techcrunch manage to do this - I assume - by employing people to do nothing but read a stream. Surely we are way beyond that technologically. 'Trending Topics' and 'top hash tags' don't do it for me.

I've long admired Autonomy http://www.autonomy.com and the way they use Beysian Inference to pattern match content. I'm really not sure whether 140 characters is enough for a Bayesian engine to get its teeth into, but the collective twitterverse of content surely must be.

Extracting real time intelligence from the totality of the tweet stream (or a subset of it) is something that would be massively valuable to many companies, and is probably being done already by the NSA, probably using Autonomy. But for now I've not seen anything like that in the public domain. Maybe there should be.

Sep 22, 2009
FredDavis said...
Nick, yeah, autonomy is cool. I remember talking with Mike Lynch back in the 90's and being really impressed with his vision, and he did a fantastic job of realizing it. The ideal curation, though, needs both human contributions, and human editing. Lots can be automated to speed that... so Grabbit's basically using what amazon calls a mechanical turk type of solution.
Sep 22, 2009
Dominic Jones said...
Congrats on baby boy Ryan. Where do you find time? Great idea, pulling things together to post together is still far too difficult. I need a "send to draft post" button, a "publish" button and an "add to post" button.

I like how the Posterous app lets you create a gallery and add to it after it's published. But instead of just photos, I want to send text notes, video, tweets, FB updates, audio, links, anything that crosses my screen to that same post as I find them. This would be great for events.

Congrats again.

Sep 22, 2009
Nick Howe said...
Absolutely agree with FredDavis.  The ideal solution needs to have a human component, but this stuff has got way too big to be human only.
Sep 22, 2009
Mark Krynsky said...
Robert, from what I gather from your post it sounds like you're talking about creating simpler tools so that we can personally curate content using assets such as photos, videos, and audio together in an easy way to create posts. I agree that this is an important aspect of providing more people with simple access to enhance the telling of their stories.

A friend recently created a mockup of a tool to do the same but for content generated by multiple people across various services that could be built around a theme to tell a story. I wrote about this here.

But I also see a 3rd option in the functionality of curation that I would also like to see. An automated method to provide curated content across my various services that is built using my social graph (or followers on each of those services) If I could also tweak the dials to optimize it as well that would be even better. For instance it would be something like the FriendFeed best of day except more intelligent. For instance it could aggregate all the links sent out by my Twitter followers on a daily basis prioritized in descending order by how many of them tweeted the link and then perhaps even take it a step further by categorizing them by types of links. (e.g. blog post, video, photo) and perhaps even broken down by category.

The smart algorithms to curate content to help me filter and digest information from the firehose intelligently and help me not miss things is the main thing I'm looking for nowadays.

Sep 23, 2009
 said...
Congrats on the celebration of new life.

Well put, and I would overlay onto the curation construct what I call The Library of the Commons.

The Library is a global repository of user-generated and crowd-sourced media and information.

It’s things like Amazon reviews, Yelp ratings, YouTube videos, Craigslist listings, Wikipedia items, Flickr photos, Twitter tweets, Bit.ly items, Scribd docs, Expedia travel listings, Google News, Google Maps, and TripAdvisor recommendations; and interconnects between Facebook, iTunes libraries, iPhone apps, Embeds and APIs.

Once you have a common, universal library, you have a data flow that is crowd-sourced, and can be federated and made context-specific (i.e., media, information and service aware) through curation.

In this context, curation has the potential to become a gateway for creating meta-platforms for mobile computing, social networking and messaging.

Food for thought.

Cheers,

Mark
--
The Library of the Commons: Rise of the Infodex
http://bit.ly/1NxXgS

Sep 23, 2009
Alex Schleber said...
Great post, Robert, I think there is still A LOT of room for improvement when it comes to bookmarking, clipping, posting, aggregating, curating/archiving, etc. in a way that actually increases usefulness, integration, and intelligence rather than making us all even more scattered/scatter-brained than we already are.

Something like a mind-mapping app fused with Evernote (which still has many drawbacks despite some brilliance IMO) fused with some of FriendFeed's and Posterous' best functionality.

We're barely at the beginning here, and whoever figures it out first will reap big rewards.

Sep 26, 2009
groby said...
Heh - I'd never think I'd say this, but you're thinking too small. Think automated attention management.
Sep 26, 2009
Bill Green said...
Curation or aggregation, both work. Good idea though. I just hope the new miracle 3.0 app doesn’t mess with or forget basics like the ability to DM or save contacts, etc. I’m using Facebook et al., just as much for messaging as I am posting things.

Too many social nets have failed to establish any semblance of rules or standards when it comes to things like this.

Someone makes a comment, I should be able to DM them instead of having to follow them first or letting the whole world in on it. Or even simple things like being able to sort through contacts alphabetically.

Basically, the stuff sites like Twitter isn’t focused on.

;-p

Sep 28, 2009
Hey Robert,
I just read this post, and didn't realize you were running 2 separate blogs. (that tells you about the need for the tool you've just described on this post).
We can do most of what you have just described in terms of single point of aggregation + a few more goodies around that. Give me 24 hrs, and I'll configure something for your preview. Pls watch your email for the details. Thanks.
Oct 04, 2009
mediacollective said...
Great idea and I agree with ramp up of all the venues to socialize, publish each with their own personality content type I think a surge of ASD (attention social deficit) has occurred.

I would like a stand alone app or SOA that would . have functionalities
curate, monitor, publish & manage.

1. Allow you to create multiple "companies, personalities or id associations"

2. Within each personality you can associate all the social bookmarks hubs, lenzes blogger, wp etc. twitters, linkedins, google log ins passwords so when you click the company "robo form like logged in". So in theory you could see company tabs that would allow you to change hats on the fly.

3 When logged in to a "personality" with simple tick box vertial menu would be visible you could then check the "accounts" you would like to curate from.
a. sw would then pop up a overlay multiple columns (like seesmic or tweetdecks columns" ) that you could see the the "ticked off " streams assets.

Which you could then click and drag onto a "launch pad -library in a side bar" that you will be able to use then to drag the elements in the library to the "Yack it" screen. which would be available when you simply X out of the ticked overlay column grid of your social accounts curated from.

4 "yack it" would be a menu tool selection that would pop up a write screen which you could then drag your "curated library items to the stage ( divs) that you could with the rich wizziewig you could wtie & drag "library elements" around on the doc as wanted and be able to write blurbs around those elements to create the post.

it would be smart in the push mode meaning that where shortened blurbs like twitter are ticked it auto sends just the title with a shortened link to the selected , main venue for consumption. Say you want that curated piece to reside in your posterous the shortend url would direct there. or which ever account you select it to reside.

5. once done you go to the vertical id's menu tick box's tick off where you want it to go, press send. wa la done.

Monitor
would be a "me screen" with the columned interface where you could use the tick box to select what you want to see ( for ex: twitter, posterous, fb, linkedin, ff), tumbler etc. where you could interact and monitor and search on fly.

Manage
you could not only pull and push info where you want but also keep track of ids logins and passwords and associate those with in the id " group, company or personality" as set up. On the "manage me" function, you could manage each profile, change pass or url on the fly etc."

yes Virginia thinks there is a santa clause so I'll keep wishing.

<:><( June

on a side note

Congrad's on your new arrival .

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